Times: What saddens you? Rukowski: Many people know that as a young woman I was a roboticist in Allen Hobby's lab. This was shortly after Cybertronics had lured him away from A.I.T. We were working on a marvelous project, a secret project. We were trying to create an A.I. that could feel—that could love and grow and live as fully as a human being can live. It was intoxicating work. My bench-mate and Allen and I would work until eleven or midnight or two in the morning every day and love doing it, because we thought we were going to change the world. . . . Forty years later, that bench mate is dead, murdered by ARM fanatics. Allen Hobby has become a corporate shill, trading his brilliance for Cybertronics' thirty-nine pieces of silver. And if my work in the field has had any impact at all, it has been to allow generations and generations of living, thinking beings to feel that much more acutely how they are enslaved and despised. It's a legacy that ought to sadden everyone. It certainly grieves me to the core.